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	<title>Comments on: Tech Friday: Like Falling Dominoes</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Henderson</title>
		<link>http://manga.jadedragononline.com/blog/2010/02/12/tech-friday-like-falling-dominoes/#comment-1400</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brigid, certainly there are some elements of the modern publishing structure which are useful, but there&#039;s also a lot of dead wood sandwiched in between which has to be paid for, thus higher prices to cover unnecessary middle management, etc.  Even with editors and the like, the mix of crap to quality remains about the same, lots of stuff that comes out of the major publishers is garbage, it&#039;s just well manicured garbage.  I&#039;d be all in favor of much more lean, mean publishers without the dead wood and with an actual dedication to the best, most modern publishing and distribution models coming to the scene but I&#039;m not holding my breath.

Further, e-books *ARE* worth less than physical books for the very fact that they are not physical.  Once you read it, what do you do with it?  You can&#039;t sell it.  You can&#039;t give it to a friend..  You can&#039;t donate it to a library.  You can either let it clog your hard drive or you can delete it.  Of course nobody in their right mind is going to pay full price for something that doesn&#039;t come with full benefits, nor should they.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brigid, certainly there are some elements of the modern publishing structure which are useful, but there&#8217;s also a lot of dead wood sandwiched in between which has to be paid for, thus higher prices to cover unnecessary middle management, etc.  Even with editors and the like, the mix of crap to quality remains about the same, lots of stuff that comes out of the major publishers is garbage, it&#8217;s just well manicured garbage.  I&#8217;d be all in favor of much more lean, mean publishers without the dead wood and with an actual dedication to the best, most modern publishing and distribution models coming to the scene but I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
<p>Further, e-books *ARE* worth less than physical books for the very fact that they are not physical.  Once you read it, what do you do with it?  You can&#8217;t sell it.  You can&#8217;t give it to a friend..  You can&#8217;t donate it to a library.  You can either let it clog your hard drive or you can delete it.  Of course nobody in their right mind is going to pay full price for something that doesn&#8217;t come with full benefits, nor should they.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Arnold</title>
		<link>http://manga.jadedragononline.com/blog/2010/02/12/tech-friday-like-falling-dominoes/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;MacMillian publishes First Second and Seven Seas Entertainment.&quot;

To clarify, Macmillian is Seven Seas&#039; distributor, not publisher. Seven Seas is still in charge of all of our own titles. Hence, we started releasing a number of our OEL titles last year as ebooks on the Kindle at a $3.50 price point.

Licensed manga from Japan would likely have to cost more due to the extra licensing costs and approvals that would be required from the Japanese publishers, though. (That&#039;s if the Japanese even allowed a book to have an ebook version.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MacMillian publishes First Second and Seven Seas Entertainment.&#8221;</p>
<p>To clarify, Macmillian is Seven Seas&#8217; distributor, not publisher. Seven Seas is still in charge of all of our own titles. Hence, we started releasing a number of our OEL titles last year as ebooks on the Kindle at a $3.50 price point.</p>
<p>Licensed manga from Japan would likely have to cost more due to the extra licensing costs and approvals that would be required from the Japanese publishers, though. (That&#8217;s if the Japanese even allowed a book to have an ebook version.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob McMonigal</title>
		<link>http://manga.jadedragononline.com/blog/2010/02/12/tech-friday-like-falling-dominoes/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob McMonigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the truth, as Simon suggests, is somewhere in-between.

A lot of people don&#039;t realize just how the &quot;pie&quot; of a book cost is distributed--I do, because I used to work at a bookstore.

A lot of people don&#039;t appreciate the power of a good editor.  I complain about this all the time, especially in journalism.  (I&#039;d also argue that some editors aren&#039;t really allowed to edit, and that&#039;s how we get book bloat.)

On the other hand, I don&#039;t think even those of us who understand the challenges of publishing are willing to pay over a certain price point for anything digital.  I&#039;m getting more digital-oriented, but at the end of the day, I like a physical object to read and will pay accordingly.  The digital copy has to be less--at least for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the truth, as Simon suggests, is somewhere in-between.</p>
<p>A lot of people don&#8217;t realize just how the &#8220;pie&#8221; of a book cost is distributed&#8211;I do, because I used to work at a bookstore.</p>
<p>A lot of people don&#8217;t appreciate the power of a good editor.  I complain about this all the time, especially in journalism.  (I&#8217;d also argue that some editors aren&#8217;t really allowed to edit, and that&#8217;s how we get book bloat.)</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t think even those of us who understand the challenges of publishing are willing to pay over a certain price point for anything digital.  I&#8217;m getting more digital-oriented, but at the end of the day, I like a physical object to read and will pay accordingly.  The digital copy has to be less&#8211;at least for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://manga.jadedragononline.com/blog/2010/02/12/tech-friday-like-falling-dominoes/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When publishers say ebook pricing &quot;devalues&quot; books, they are referring to the lifetime profitability of the book, not necessarily the pricing of hardbacks versus e-books.  You&#039;re right in that they are used to the &quot;old system,&quot; which is to sell high at the beginning, then dynamically adjust the price as demand rises or falls.  Anecdotes suggest ebooks have not become a &quot;new&quot; revenue stream for publishers, merely siphoning some hardcover readers away from hardcovers instead.  Their profit margins on hardcovers are bigger than paperbacks and ebooks, ergo it&#039;s in their interest to protect hardcover sales.

Second, movies and music have *not* done better.  They report higher revenue every year, but revenue =/= profit.  Movies are selling less tickets at higher prices, and DVD sales are practically on the verge of collapse while Blu-ray has not picked up the slack.  Music industry profits are down 50%.  What all this has translated into is less risk being taken on original properties, and more budget funneled into &quot;sure-fire blockbusters,&quot; i.e. sequels for movies, shallow teen flavors of the week for music.  Some may see that as a blessing, of course; the most interesting music are usually found online these days.  Yet no individual has the resources and infrastructure to really compete with a commercial release, at least not yet.

There are all kinds of conflicting interests pulling on traditional publishers.  That shouldn&#039;t be forgotten in any such discussion about virtual content.  As to whether publishers are still needed in this day and age, that&#039;s a separate quandary entirely.  But until an individual can make as much money as JK Rowling self-publishing on the net, and online can pay all the salaries of all the professional writers in the world that exist, it might be too soon to consider.  The old system is still here, because it still pays best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When publishers say ebook pricing &#8220;devalues&#8221; books, they are referring to the lifetime profitability of the book, not necessarily the pricing of hardbacks versus e-books.  You&#8217;re right in that they are used to the &#8220;old system,&#8221; which is to sell high at the beginning, then dynamically adjust the price as demand rises or falls.  Anecdotes suggest ebooks have not become a &#8220;new&#8221; revenue stream for publishers, merely siphoning some hardcover readers away from hardcovers instead.  Their profit margins on hardcovers are bigger than paperbacks and ebooks, ergo it&#8217;s in their interest to protect hardcover sales.</p>
<p>Second, movies and music have *not* done better.  They report higher revenue every year, but revenue =/= profit.  Movies are selling less tickets at higher prices, and DVD sales are practically on the verge of collapse while Blu-ray has not picked up the slack.  Music industry profits are down 50%.  What all this has translated into is less risk being taken on original properties, and more budget funneled into &#8220;sure-fire blockbusters,&#8221; i.e. sequels for movies, shallow teen flavors of the week for music.  Some may see that as a blessing, of course; the most interesting music are usually found online these days.  Yet no individual has the resources and infrastructure to really compete with a commercial release, at least not yet.</p>
<p>There are all kinds of conflicting interests pulling on traditional publishers.  That shouldn&#8217;t be forgotten in any such discussion about virtual content.  As to whether publishers are still needed in this day and age, that&#8217;s a separate quandary entirely.  But until an individual can make as much money as JK Rowling self-publishing on the net, and online can pay all the salaries of all the professional writers in the world that exist, it might be too soon to consider.  The old system is still here, because it still pays best.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, as a former book editor myself, I disagree about publishers. They serve very valuable quality control functions, both as gatekeepers and as editors. Yes, anyone can publish anything thanks to the Internet, and the result has not been a flood of genius—there&#039;s a lot of crap, some mediocre work, and the very occasional flash of genius. As both a writer and an editor, I am well aware that every work can be improved by a second set of eyes. Editors, copy editors, designers, production people, all specialized in what they do, work together to make a book read well and look good. No one person has all those talents. I do agree that the business model is outmoded, but that has to do more with the marketing piece than production.

And Lori, here&#039;s my issue with e-books: Publishers can come up with all sorts of reasons why they charge what they do, but if people perceive an e-book as worth less than a paper book—and people do, for very valid reasons—then they won&#039;t be willing to pay as much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, as a former book editor myself, I disagree about publishers. They serve very valuable quality control functions, both as gatekeepers and as editors. Yes, anyone can publish anything thanks to the Internet, and the result has not been a flood of genius—there&#8217;s a lot of crap, some mediocre work, and the very occasional flash of genius. As both a writer and an editor, I am well aware that every work can be improved by a second set of eyes. Editors, copy editors, designers, production people, all specialized in what they do, work together to make a book read well and look good. No one person has all those talents. I do agree that the business model is outmoded, but that has to do more with the marketing piece than production.</p>
<p>And Lori, here&#8217;s my issue with e-books: Publishers can come up with all sorts of reasons why they charge what they do, but if people perceive an e-book as worth less than a paper book—and people do, for very valid reasons—then they won&#8217;t be willing to pay as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Henderson</title>
		<link>http://manga.jadedragononline.com/blog/2010/02/12/tech-friday-like-falling-dominoes/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re not at all unfounded. The fact is, these large publishers and media conglomerates are really no longer necessary in the modern world but they are fighting for a business model that was outmoded 20+ years ago.  In an era when people can self-publish their own works, big name media companies are only a means to distribution and even that is changing.  Most of these companies are afraid of losing their cushy jobs when people realize they are entirely irrelevant.

They could work to ensure their continued survival by making themselves actually useful but they&#039;re so used to being able to do anything they want to do and nobody having a choice in the matter that they freight train will have run them down long before they hear it coming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not at all unfounded. The fact is, these large publishers and media conglomerates are really no longer necessary in the modern world but they are fighting for a business model that was outmoded 20+ years ago.  In an era when people can self-publish their own works, big name media companies are only a means to distribution and even that is changing.  Most of these companies are afraid of losing their cushy jobs when people realize they are entirely irrelevant.</p>
<p>They could work to ensure their continued survival by making themselves actually useful but they&#8217;re so used to being able to do anything they want to do and nobody having a choice in the matter that they freight train will have run them down long before they hear it coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it doesn&#039;t make much sense to me either, but we are dealing for large corporations where common sense isn&#039;t allowed.  I&#039;ll just keep hoping my unfounded fears remain just that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me either, but we are dealing for large corporations where common sense isn&#8217;t allowed.  I&#8217;ll just keep hoping my unfounded fears remain just that.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, Lori!  It doesn&#039;t make much sense to me to raise prices of luxury goods when the economy still stinks.  The effect for me personally is to dust off my library card and just save myself the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Lori!  It doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me to raise prices of luxury goods when the economy still stinks.  The effect for me personally is to dust off my library card and just save myself the money.</p>
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